What would you like to know about this pistol? I've done quite a bit of research on these.
From $500 to $2000, depending on condition. The more original finish left the higher the value.
That little shotgun was made by Deutsche Werke, a German company that had operations in Kiel, Berlin, and Erfurt. The Erfurt plant made the shotgun and a youth 22 rifle with the same loading and firing mechanism. They were more famous for making the Ortgies pocket pistol, a semi-automatic in various calibers. These arms were made from 1919 until some time in the 1930s. The pistols can be found regularly on the online auctions, and the 22 rifles less often. The shotguns are even rarer, but not of great value. I saw two offered online in the past couple of years, and the price was around $250 - $450.
Deutsche Werke PistolsDeutsche Werke Aktiengesellschaft is the company that produced the pistol in Erfurt Germany in the 1920s. The pistol is commonly called an "Ortgies" vest pocket pistol after its original designer. These pistols were offered in .25ACP (6.35mm), .32ACP (7.65mm), and some in .380 (9mm Kurtz). They are not very valuable or rare. Judging only from a photo published in the American Rifleman these pistols may be the same as ERMA pistols, incorporated in Germany in 1949 and beginning imports to the U.S.in 1960. Mine has 'Germany'stamped under the deutsche markings, and may have been imported in the 1930's. You can check gunbroker.com or gunsamerica.com to get an idea on current asking prices. The models in 380 bring the most as most were made in 25 or 32. Asking prices & selling prices may be very different.
value of any firearms depends on overall condition, i.e., bore condition, finish condition, maker, etc, etc.........................send me a pic...................
Need information on my Erfurt 1912 Luger and what all the stamps and markings mean, like factories places issued to etc.etc. I assume each mark or stamp tell a story but I don't know. Need help or site to go to for this imfo. thanks
$300-$1000. There are far too many variables to give you a more precise value sight unseen. It should have a hands on appraisal.
No. There are more than a dozen DIFFERENT "9mm" cartridges, and they do not interchange. The most common is 9mm Parabellum- also known as 9mm Luger or 9x19. It does NOT interchange with 9mm Kurz, 9mm Corto, 9mm Makarov, 9mm Ultra, etc.
No. There are several different calibers that are called 9mm. These calibers are not interchangeable. A quick rundown of 9mm pistol cartridges: 9x17 also called 9mm Kurz, 9mm Short or .380 Auto 9x18 Makarov, also called 9mm Makarov 9x19 also called 9mm Luger, 9mm, 9mm Para, 9mm Parabellum 9x21 also called 9mm IMI 9x23 also called 9mm Long, 9mm Largo
9mm MKV is not the same as 9mm Luger.
The .380 IS a 9mm- a 9mm Short (also called 9mm Kurz or Corto). There are more than a dozen different 9mm cartridges. Most people mean the 9mm Parabellum (also called 9mm Luger) when they say 9mm. The 9mm Parabellum IS a longer cartridge than the .380 .
9mm Largo and 9mm Parabellum are different guns. No.
Good answer below. The "9mm Luger" is properly the 9mm Parabellum, but it is also called the Luger. There are about a dozen different cartridges with 9mm in their name, but the 9mm Luger is the best known.