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Since the use of "Jr." and "Sr." is usually to help distinguish between a father and son, both of whom are still living, the son can drop the "Jr." after the father dies, if he likes, or he can keep it. For example, Sammy Davis, Jr., kept the "Junior" for several years after his father died, but eventually used just "Sammy Davis" as his legal and professional name. The designation can also change with time and circumstance. Suppose Jim Johnson has a son whom he names Jim Johnson. The father might be, for example, Jim Johnson II or Jim Johnson, Sr., and the son would be Jim Johnson, III, but could also be called Jim Johnson, Jr. After Jim Johnson II dies, his son can call himself just Jim Johnson or can continue to call himslef Jim Johnson, Jr., but in either case he will always be Jim Johnson III. To further complicate matters, if there is a grandson named Jim Johnson, he will be Jim Johnson IV. When the grandfather dies, Jim Johnson III can call himself Jim Johnson, Sr., if he likes, and the grandson can be called Jim Johnson, Jr. It is largely a matter of person preference and what the family will tollerate.
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LaoUsing Jr. and Sr. is a separate system from describing people as the First, the Second, the Third, etc.
If Joe Sr. dies, Joe Jr. can become Joe Sr. This would only be useful if Joe Jr. has a son named Joe so that there are three or more generations with the identical name. Sammy Davis, Jr., for example, eventually performed only as Sammy Davis, not as Sammy Davis, Sr. or as Sammy David II, because he had no son named Sammy from whom he needed to be differentiated.
If Joe I has a son named Joe II and a grandson named Joe III, the numbers do not change when Joe I dies. Joe II will always be II. But he can go from being Joe Jr to being Joe Sr if he wants.
However, usually people use one system or the other, but not both.
You count people with the identical name in the same family or area. So you have John I, John II, John III, John IV, etc. Those numbers never change, even when one dies., and the sequence can go from uncle to nephew, depending on who is given the "family name".
Junior and Senior are given to two people in the same family with the same name when both are alive. Senior is older than Junior. This is a completely separate system from numbering people.
So, suppose John I, II, and III have all died. John IV is 80, John V is 55 and John VI is 23. If John IV lives in London, England and John V lives with his son, John VI in Miami, Florida, it is likely that V will be called Senior and VI will be called Junior, because people need to be able to distinguish between them as they live close together. John IV is elsewhere and not near someone with the same name.
If John V dies, his son can stop calling himself Junior. Or Junior can begin to call himself Senior, if he has a son John VII who begins calling himself Junior. On the otherhand, if John IV now comes to live with John Junior (John VI), VI may continue to call himself Junior and IV might begin to call himself Senior.
Junior and Senior go by what is convenient and helpful.
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Does John Doe third become John Doe Junior when his senior grandfather dies?
Naming people "Sr." and "Jr." is a separate system from naming them "Second," "Third," "First," etc. Commonly, John Doe, Jr. can drop the "Jr." from his name after John Doe, Sr. dies, but he does not have to. For example, Sammy Davis, Jr., the famous black entertainer, continued to use "Jr." for many years after his father, Sammy Davis, Sr., died. He did, eventually, call himself simply, Sammy Davis. Naming people "I," "II," "III," etc. is a completely separate system and does not even require that III be the son of II. John Doe III could be the son of Jason Doe, and the nephew, younger cousin, or other relative of John Doe II, as long as both are recognized as being in the same family. The numbering does not change when one of them dies. John Doe IV, the son of John Doe III and the grandson of John Doe II, will always be John Doe IV, even after I, II and III have died. He may as a matter of convenience, choose to drop the number, or, if he has a son named John Doe V, he might choose to be John Doe, Sr., to his son's John Doe, Jr.
What comes after senior and junior in a family lineage?
Nothing comes after Junior when Senior and Junior are used in naming members of one family. The use of Second (II), Third (III), Fourth (IV), etc., is a completely different system. Joe, Sr., could be Joe I, Joe V, or Joe VIII or whatever number is appropriate. Junior and Senior are used only to distinguish between two living people. When Joe, Sr. dies, Joe, Jr. can become simply, Joe. Similarly if young Joe, Jr., dies, Joe, Sr. can become simply Joe.
When senior father dies does junior son become senior?
AnswerNo, because if you were talking about the deceased person, you may get confused, just the way you would if you were alive. I think when they get the junior or senior added to their name, it's permanent, except it's not written on their birth certificate.
How do you use the suffix I II III Jr Sr?
John Doe has a son also called John Doe. In these circumtances, the father is often called John Doe, Senior (Sr) and the son John Doe, Junior (Jr). If John Doe, Junior also has a son called John Doe the son might be called John Doe III.
If SR dies does JR still have to sign as JR or he can drop the JR?
He can keep or drop the JR, as he chooses. Many keep it for a while and drop it later. For example the entertainer, Sammy Davis, Jr., continued to use "JR" for several years after his father died, but was known simply as "Sammy Davis" during the last years of his life. On the other hand, when speaking of father and son historical figures of the same name, it is not unusual to use SR and JR decades or centuries after they have died, as that is often the easiest way of telling them apart. As a result, 2000 years after they lived, we still speak of Pliny the Elder and Pliny the Younger, which was the ancient Roman way of saying SR and JR in Latin.
