Charles Quef was born in 1873.
Charles Quef died in 1931.
Pierre Quef has written: 'Histoire de l'apprentissage' -- subject(s): Apprentices
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He has the sad misfortune of being the sport's whipping boy; people need someone to blame for the sport's decline, and that someone is Tyson. You ask me though its all a load of crap; I mean, people are wanting to pretend Boxing was never a crooked sport when they talk about Tyson when, given its corruption it was doomed to decline inevitably. Indeed, Dana White, the president of the UFC? He's got armies of lawyers, and why? He is being extra careful not to repeat Boxing's mistakes. In fact I think the UFC is even partnered with Nevada's most powerful law firm. Where Boxing partnered with the mafia, Dana White, the defacto face of MMA, has been wise to partner with high end attorneys instead, and it has gone a long way for the sport. Despite its apparent savagery MMA has gained a recognition, Boxing never quite had, recognition that is, and respectability in the LEGAL world. In eras past people ignored the black hand's involvement with Boxing, because the parents of the Baby Boom generation were overwhelmingly working class. People who have physically demanding jobs, often go through more stress, than people whose jobs are sedentary. I mean imagine busting your rear under the hot sun, and then some turd insults you. Working class males had a lot of steam they needed to release, and they found that release in the form of Boxing, whole in part why the sport was so huge from the 30's to 70's. However, as the Baby Boom generation began graduating from College, and getting their "big shot" careers started, well basically, they simply didn't care about Boxing. What makes for a large pool of Boxers, is a country full of men and women who are overwhelmingly laborers, the combination of poverty and violence, very often is what produces a Boxing pool. Not to mention the fact that the parents of the "Greatest Generation," that is that generation of Americans who fought in World War 2, the Boomer's parents, endured horrific child abuse. See, THEIR parents, was the so-called "flaming youth" generation of the so-called roaring 20's. That is, the parents of the Greatest Generation were hedonists who enjoyed booze, sex, and partying. If there is anything such people hate more, in this whole world, is kids. As a general rule men and women who like to party, often make abusive parents; its a fact man. The entire "Greatest Generation," was a generation literally conceived in drunken orgies during the 20's. Indeed part of the reason why Genealogy is unreliable for finding one's ancestors in America, is the quagmire created in the 20's. Everybody had sex with everybody, at least every white with every other shade of white, during the 20's, and when you are dealing with such a hedonist, they tend to despise kids. Basically the World War 2 generation was blamed for ruining the party, they were seen as accidents, consequences, and were treated as such. The reason depression era kids worked so hard to create a family friendly America, is because of the trauma they themselves endured growing up. A decade of hedonism and irresponsibility turned an entire generation of children into a labor class, that labored almost from the age of 10. In other words, the World War 2 generation was packing some serious anger problems, between the depression, abusive "flaming youth" generation roaring 20's parents, and, basically having missed out on their childhood as a result. The reason Boxing was so huge with that generation, is because America in general was angry, and the males needed to hit something. See the boomers, were relatively sheltered, the parents of the hippie generation never burdened their own children, with stories of their own miserable childhood. For the most part. The generation gap as it was called in the late 60's was due to the fact that the boomers were educated, future professional middle class types, while their parents were, very often, laborers. The typical dynamic for example, with your average boomer male, and his father, is that dad is this gruff, really tough man, used to shovels, pitch forks, sledge hammers, in short "man" tools. By sharp contrast junior is a long haired hippie who has never sweated it out under the sun in his life. Naturally of course there's gonna be a communication problem. Basically the world war 2 or "greatest" generation was collectively so angry, so pissed off, they didn't care who funded Boxing. Indeed even with modern Boxing, there isn't a single person, male or female, who doesn't have anger issues. Patience, I'll tie things together in relation to Tyson; basically the fact that the mafia was behind Boxing was ignored for years. In addition, because the vast majority of the world war 2 generation was not educated enough, nor did they particularly care enough, the mafia just kind of, got away with doing their thing. See Boxing never had a Dana White, and in that way MMA is lucky. Nobody among the Greatest Generation, had the education, qualifications, let alone legal connections to make boxing legit. They just ignored the fact the Mafia was in the background, and, eventually, when the Feds began cracking down on Boxing, the fall of the mob meant the fall of Boxing, and the sport saw a massive decline. In fact, various Cosa Nostra families, were directly tied with the now defunct IBO, or International Boxing Organization, the organization, which granted a single crown, in any weight division, to whomever could earn it. Tyson, has the following distinctions, some good, some dubious; 1) For one, he is likely the last Heavyweight champ, to be trained COMPLETELY the old fashioned way. No protein powders, no fancy gyms, just a trainer who was a Boxing Guru (Cus D'amato), and "old timer" equipment. Tyson trained exactly the same way greats such as Robinson, Ali, Marciano, and Louis did, where most other heavies of his era were wanting to get into "modern sports science" crap. I mean, you look at Holyfield of the 90's, and he uses this weird punching gadget that he invented. You look at Lennox Lewis, and he said he didn't do road work, for his cardio conditioning he played Basketball. Basically ever since Tyson's fall that infamous night in Tokyo, all other heavyweight champs since have been doing all sorts of fancy crap EXCEPT train the old way. So if Tyson has a first distinction, is that he is probably the last champion, possibly, ever, to be trained like the old timers. Indeed, old fashioned Boxing gyms are extremely difficult to find. 2) The second distinction is that he is likely the first champion whose sex life was made public. I mean, are we seriously going to pretend here, that Tyson was the first womanizer Boxing champ? Ray Leonard is said to have been with dozens more women; compared to some of the champs of the past if anything Tyson is a saint. What can I say though, he had the tragic misfortune of being a champ in the 80's, the "tell it like it is" decade. Previous champs, their privacy was generally respected, although I think past generations who knew those champions knew, everybody knew, its just that nobody talked about it. Knew what? That they were womanizers. If you care to do some research at your nearest University you will discover some shocking facts; compared to champs of the past, Tyson is a male feminist. Mike Tyson, is not the first Boxing champ to have been a womanizer, nor does he hold the reccord for having slept with the most women either. In fact that honor goes to Ray Robinson I think, THE legendary Ray Robinson, whose apetite for women was said to be insatiable, according to the estimates of a close friend he bedded just shy of 1,000. You walk around New York, they say there are a lot of black dudes who look a lot like him. New York and Chicago were his favorite conquest grounds, and rumor has it, both cities have hundreds of men who are the spitting image of Ray Robinson, so God only knows how many of those 1,000 got knocked up. 3) Mentioned earlier, he has become the sport's whipping boy. He is unfairly accused of bringing down the sport, when, its been crooked almost since its official rebirth in the late 19th century. First of all, second, the circumstances regarding the rape charge to this day remain dubious, but nobody talks about it because in this feminism saturated culture, what can I say, guys want to get laid, so nobody defends Tyson. If you want your girlfriend to never again give it up, by all means, say Tyson is innocent. I think most guys silently think Tyson IS indeed innocent, but very few have the nards to say it out loud. Again there were things tied to Boxing, social, cultural things, in some cases historical things vastly bigger than Tyson, which doomed the sport. But, people are stupid, and they need someone to blame. Myself personally, I don't like him, because he took the whole "bad guy in the ring" thing too far, and now Tyson is hated because, ironically enough, he has been a champion for the empowerment of bullies. The main negative thing with Tyson, and I think this is why people hate him, is because he made bullies everywhere feel as if though they were invincible. In Social Psychology, this is known as "Basking In Reflected Glory," that is, just because someone that belongs to your group is great, it makes YOU great. Bullies all across America, made Tyson into their darling poster boy, and, there may in fact be a correlation between bullying in schools getting worse since the late 80's, and Tyson's reign as champ. Obviously enough once again there are social factors beyond just Tyson, but, one can not underestimate the influence of the Heavyweight Champion of The World, whoever he is. Like it or not, if you are one of Tyson's nicer fans, Tyson is the "empowerment for bullies" champion. What got him convicted, was not the "fact" that he raped that woman, if anything it may have indeed been a malicious accusation, but the image he cultivated in the ring. Louis Gosset Jr. said it best in the documentary "Kings Of The Ring," paraphrasing him, that of all prizes to be held in sports, none commanded as much respect, as the heavyweight championship of the world. Gosset Jr. continued by saying, that sometimes the champs, even shaped the worlds in which they lived, and, "rightly, or wrongly, they were worshiped by the American people as living flesh and blood gods." Indeed, to be a heavyweight champ.... its a pretty exclusive club man. You stand better odds of surviving Green Beret, SAS, or Navy SEAL basic training, than becoming the heavyweight champion of the world. The way a champion can affect a culture, is not something anyone should underestimate, and, again, whether you agree or not there may in fact be a correlation between Tyson's reign as champ, and bullying in schools across America getting worse. Also, unfortunately for Tyson, nobody "worse than him" ever stepped into the ring with him. The fact of the matter is, Muhamad Ali was widely more hated, more widely despised, in fact people paid their money to watch him get beat. However, when foul tempered "I'm mean to everybody" George Foreman the early 70's bully stepped into the ring, it changed Ali's image. In the 70's, Foreman was not the teddy bear he is now; point in fact he was a real ***hole. Whether you agree with me or not, at the least you can't argue with the fact that since the late 80's, it became a great time to be a bully, in however small part, thanks to Tyson. You combine all those factors together, and, naturally, Tyson becomes Boxing's fall guy, the guy everybody blames. Traditionally, historically, Boxing was supposed to be an anti-bully, not a bully-empowerment weapon, and, Mike Tyson, well, he kind of destroyed that image. Doesn't change the fact that the sport itself has always been crooked though, behind the scenes...