Does the Philippines have the right to claim Sabah?
of course specially the sultan of sulu under the kiram carpenter agreement.
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I think the 90% Christian majority of the Philippines understand and share the feelings of the Sabahans. Middle age Filipinos had the felling of connectivity towards the Sabah…ans for the Philippine history dictates the historical connection and experiences. If Sabah chose to be part of the Philippines, then their interest will be well protected and respected. The Philippine government is the bastion of democracy in Asia and the Filipinos knows it by heart. It is said the majority of the Christian Sabahans are fearful of the mass immigration if Sabah would be integrated to the Philippines, will that fear is unfounded, the Philippine government respect diversity and would surely protect the interest and right of its citizens. Like the Christian Filipino, Christian Sabahans will also enjoy the same, and be protected to the fullest extent of the law. Christian Sabahans should not be fearful to their brother Filipinos; they are the same and have shared the same in time and space. Let lost that fear, look forward for the brighter future! Spartly Island is not completely owned by Philippines the Philippines is only protecting the 9 islands against invaders and one of those island contains oil and gas and the china think it is unfair so they are trying to claim it note: as you can see all Islamic country has a oil (middle east) Philippines is a Islamic country before but it became christian when the Spaniards came and also there are oil and gas in mindanao Philippines that Islam people are protecting it but the government doesnt know this yet
Sabah and Spratly island The Spanish was forced to sell the Philippines to America for 20million dollars when they learned that the USA has far superiorbattleship and ammuniti…on against their wooden Galleon's during thebattle of Manila bay. The Spanish crafted the Treaty of Paris andput the technical description covering all the archipelagoincluding the Sulu group of islands. The Treaty of Paris has putthe USA in jeopardy by signing the one sided Treaty in favor ofSpain. The setback was later found by the USA, but it was too latebecause according to the Treaty the USA has to protect whateverSpain or any of their relatives owned within the Philippines, notrealizing that the whole archipelago land has almost land titled tothe five main groups of religious order. This practically meant theUSA bought nothing but the political administration only becausethey are strongly opposed by Aguinaldo in Phil American war, untilthey give independence to the Philippines, due to costly war in thePhilippines. The sale under the Treaty of Paris is illegal becauseSpain included the Sulu Kingdom which they never defeated in war.The war protocol prohibit to include any territory which is notconquered or defeated and not part of the spoils of war. When Philippine Republic was formed, Sulu Kingdom was included forin fact the inclusion to the sale is only Luzon and Visayas.Mindanao and Sulu Kingdom is not included because the Spanishfailed to conquer the Sulu Kingdom. During the time of presidentMacapagal , the Philippine government was given authority to claimSabah in bahalf of the Sultanate of Sulu but failed until it wasrevoked in 1989. It is clear therefore that the Philippines has nomore authority over Sabah and Spratly island. The owner of Sabah and Spratly is the Royal Sulu and North Borneokingdom. The current and legitimate Sultan is his HRH Sultan EsmailD. Kiram (www.sulu.gov.pH). The problem of the kingdom is apparent between Malaysia andPhilippines since the kingdom now is traditional rather thanpolitical, both Malaysia and Philippines were playing fire not torecognize the traditional governance of the Sultanate for fear toescalate as a political power. Malaysia and Philippines has clampedthe economic capacity of the kingdom via proprietary property. This has been solved by the current hierarchy by appointing aprivate company in Hongkong, to undertake the total administrationand management of the said proprietary property of the kingdom.Neither Malaysia nor the Philippines can manipulate the HongkongCompany politically since it is now in a neutral ground. His RoyalHighness Sultan Esmail D. Kiram has given a "Decree and Authorityto the Hongkong Company to fast track the implementation of the1939 High Court of North Borneo Ruling to Audit and Inventory theproperty of the Kingdom in Sabah as well as the property in thePhilippines..(www.sultanatesulu.org) The issue of legitimate Sultan is now overdue because the politicalmanuever behind to pay many sultans of Sulu and North Borneo, tomake it appear chaotic is finished. Royal Sultanate of Sulu andNorth Borneo has only one Sultan from the hierarchy. The legitimateSultan has to become a Maharajah Adinda first then Rajah Mudabefore he assume the Sultan Proper. None among claiming Sultans hasbecome Maharajah Adinda and Rajah Muda, they claimed straightforward from the lineage the position without undergoing to theprocess of unbroken hierarchy to the throne. The Sultan chooses hisRajah Mudah, the Rajah Muda chooses his Maharajah Adinda, thereforebefore becoming a Sultan , he has to pass through the process ofbeing a Maharajah Adinda to Rajah Muda then to Sultan proper. Thiseliminates the fake and bogus sultans. (www.wiki.answer.com) who isthe Sultan of Sulu and North Borneo ?
Sabah is part of the Philippine terretory as stated in the Grade IV book used by our elementary students right now. Teaching our children of this claim, it should be exercise …by our government (Philippine) so for them to have faith in our system. Damb it! People in the southern part of the Philippines were fighting for ancestral domain yet they are not fighting for their right of SABAH. Why not start fighting in Sabah to regain it? Sometimes War is necessary to expedite the matter then may be later discuss it in proper. Because the Muslims who leased it always prefer to do transactions with co-muslims. Religion always have a role in this so conflicts of interests can't be resolved. The international law should disregard such transaction and respect the Phillipine's rights to its territory. Clearly, the international law is still being blind folded by pathetic excuses of religion and tradition.
By invasion i suppose. Personally, i dont think Sabah wants to go to the Philippines (or stay in Malaysia for that matter).
Because logically the Sabah is rightfully in the Philippine territory. It was just LEASED by Muslims residing in there who always love to claim things as their own regardless …of whatever legal rights of the country. It can also be linked to religion since Muslims always prefer to do any transactions with their co-Muslims for the sake of their ever-discriminating leg god allah's Islam. Religion and World power's influences will always play a big role in this dispute however, no matter how they claim whether be cultural or traditional reasonings, the rights should be to the Philippines and the international law should stop playing blind about this matter.
FOR BETTER INFO PLS REFER TO: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabah THIS IS MINE: i wish too that this will be discussed again AND I THINK!!! that the claim is upon to the presen…t sultan of sulu because he is a descendant of the original sultan owner to which SABAH was given to. at first the sultan of Brunei(which conquered SABAH and below)and his brother wanted to take over but needed the help of the sultan of sulu at that time at the end they had won so as a reward the brother gave sabah to the sultan of sulu but the British wanted to lease SABAH so the agreed with the sultan and i think it was about $1,200 only and this kept on and on until british said it was sold to Malaysia and that started it all but i think the sultan of sulu right now is still getting the money... but british had constructed bases... but now some questions are why is it revived? there are cases of deportations of and this is one reason second we want a bigger country meaning bigger resources... BUT EXPERTS SAY THAT THE BEACHES ARE BETTER THAN PALAWAN AND THAT COULD BE A REASON ++THE CONDITION IS PEACEFUL THERE WAS A PEACE TALK TO STOP IT UNTIL IT WAS REVIVED =) i want to revive it if i was the president... I HAVE READ some posts in Malaysia saying that it should be in Malaysia because it was handed down and there was a contract of sale and all that but one message got me it was that there was a filipino chief minister that handled sabah and i think it was 1966-1976 and he said that "he handled non-moslem badly and not as good as the moslem so no more Filipinos!!! this was excatly it i wanted to comment but no i think my knowledge of it was low hehe...=) and basically it was part of Malaysia which made them very conscious of happenings about it we just revived it because of the reasons above.... P.S. IM PINOY AND IM NOT A HISTORIAN I JUST KNOW THESE FROM RESEACRHING AND READING I HOPE THIS HELPS!!! AS FOR THE NO MORE FILIPINOS THING GO TO HERE: http://www.topix.com/forum/world/Malaysia/T7S5UU62KSOO4H8PT and find: (USING ALT+F) cina bangsa hebat) LETS JUST LET THIS TO THE GOVERNMENT OR PROTEST=) SO THAT IT WILL BE REVIVED BECAUSE I THINK THEY KNOW ALL THE info NEEDED TO CLAIM AND WE GOT HISTORIANS =)
I CANT SA MUCH BUT i have 70% on agreeing that the government should continue first they should let the sultan of sulu to figure it out to whom it should be given because it w…as given to his/her ancestors but because of the long time that people didn't mind it the history got jumbled up many said some things happened but i think the thing that really happened in the first before it got jumbled up was that SABAH was given to the earlier sultan of sulu and then around 1920-1963 it got jumbled up but the sultan of sulu should decide after all it is his heritage but due to the long time Malaysia was formed with sabah in it because it was under the sultan(the sultan after the war with his brother) that gave sabah to the sultan of sulu and some malaysians thought it was handed by the british to them ( by the fact that the british leased it from the sultan of sulu but they know that it was from the sultan that defeated the sultan of the entire island ) BUT I THINK it was jumbled with the british because they knew sabah was from the sultan that won the war so they thought that they should give it back to him again(THE SULTAN THAT WON IS THE ONE THAT MADE MALAYSIA)
Malaysia did not have interest in the spratlys, But when thephilippines started exploring the island and found gas and oilresserve malaysian goverment suddenly had interest is… spratlys. If your going to ask me How did the Philippines claim Spratly andSabah Islands? Answer: I think the 90% Christian majority of the Philippines understandand share the feelings of the Sabahans. Middle age Filipinos hadthe felling of connectivity towards the Sabahans for the Philippinehistory dictates the historical connection and experiences. If Sabah chose to be part of the Philippines, then their interestwill be well protected and respected. The Philippine government isthe bastion of democracy in Asia and the Filipinos knows it byheart. It is said the majority of the Christian Sabahans are fearful ofthe mass immigration if Sabah would be integrated to thePhilippines, will that fear is unfounded, the Philippine governmentrespect diversity and would surely protect the interest and rightof its citizens. Like the Christian Filipino, Christian Sabahans will also enjoy thesame, and be protected to the fullest extent of the law. ChristianSabahans should not be fearful to their brother Filipinos; they arethe same and have shared the same in time and space. Let lost that fear, look forward for the brighter future! Spartly Island is not completely owned by Philippines thePhilippines is only protecting the 9 islands against invaders andone of those island contains oil and gas and the china think it isunfair so they are trying to claim it note: as you can see all Islamic country has a oil (middle east)Philippines is a Islamic country before but it became christianwhen the Spaniards came and also there are oil and gas in mindanaoPhilippines that Islam people are protecting it but the governmentdoesnt know this yet. Malaysia is currently profiting out of sabah which is part of thephilippines if I were the sabahan I would have joined thephilippines instead,but I dont blame them they were tricked intovoting against the Philippines. local Sabahan's illiteracy whereexploited into voting against the Philippines. And if your going to ask me if Why Malaysia keeps holding Sabah ifnot belong to them? Answer: Malaysia has seen what the British has done and so they imitate tograb the opportunity when they got their independence from theBritish empire in 1963. Peninsular government of Malaysia slowlyedge to make it appear Sabah is part of Malaysia by appointinginterim administration and change the name from North Borneo toSabah in a blink of an eye. It was also clear to the MalaysianConstitution that Sabah is a partner rather than a member state ofMalaysia. It was also clear that Sabah is only interim memberstate. Sabah is now currently contributing 30% to the whole economy ofMalaysia. From this standpoint, simple calculations will give us atleast US$12 billion dollars generated income annually. Malaysia hasall the reason to hold Sabah ,a merely US$1,500 dollars rental toSabah since 1963 is being paid by Malaysia. In short, the onlycapitalization involved is the rental versus billion dollar earningevery year, Is that not enough reason to hold Sabah? It was said that Malaysia is continually muddling the traditionalleadership of the Royal Sultanate of Sulu and North Borneo bypaying fake sultans among the relatives to the throne, to make itappear that squabble is there to reason out that they do not knowwho is the genuine sultan of whom Sabah will return. There is also rumors that even the past and present administrationsof the the Philippine government is continually secretly receivingdole out money from Malaysia in condition not to interfere or helpthe now traditional governance of the Royal Sultanate of Sulu andNorth Borneo. And also if your going to ask me Why Malaysia says they own Sabah? Answer: The basis of Malaysia in owning Sabah is based on LandgrabbingPrinciple employed by the British government. The original lesseeis a private british company, British North Borneo Company. TheBritish government has signed a 'Friendship Treaty ' to theSultanate kingdom .The British government broke the Treaty ofFriendship when they absorbed the lease of which they are not anentity to the 'Lease Contract of 1878" and clearly stipulates thenon transferrability. Malaysia followed this suit by absorbing thesame when they got their independence in 1963 - If the modern worldcannot understand this then let us live like a hypocrites andforget the Omnipotent creator that we all believe., whether Allah,God or Yahweh.The Sultanate of Sulu and North Borneo now ispolitically diminished but not culturally and traditionally. thehistory never lie only the Spanish and American people who wrotethe historical hoax of the Sultanate of Sulu and North BorneoKingdom to achieve their colonizations. And also if your going to ask me if Is Sabah part of Malaysia? Answer: Sabah and Sarawak is legally not a part of Federal Malaysia basedon conditional partnership they agreed when Peninsular Malaysiabecome Federated in 1963. The 3 major reason for Sabah and Sarawakto join in partner with Federal is Military , Monetary andTaxation. Sabah and Sarawak has partnered with Federal Malaysiabased on 20 point agreement, their own State Constitution separatefrom Federal Constitution. The 20 point agreement has been forgedprior to Sabah and Sarawak association to Federal Malaysia . Beinga partner to the Federation does not mean to become a state ofMalaysia. This is very clear that separate State of Sabah andSarawak Constitution is in place. unlike the Peninsular Malaysiathat all covers by Federal Constitution. The conditionalpartnership of Sabah and Sarawak cannot be contituted as fullmember of the Peninsular Federation of Malaysia. Sabah and Sarawak can at anytime decide if they still want to be apart of the Federal Malaysia through partnership by simply passinga law by the State Government annulling the partnership. This isthe point of view by State MP's to segregate because the federal isabusive of the Financial allocation exercise over the two State.Sabah and sarawak combined contribute 60% of Malaysian economy andyet they only receive 5% of the total economic contributions tothose two state. Sabah and Sarawak has their own rights, religionsand land laws , they pay in return a tribute to Federal Malaysia inreturn of providing the Military and Monetary by paying excessiveTaxation.. The philippines can sustain sabah militarily and financialy
lahat ng Islands sa Philippines. khit Antartica sa Philippines. paksyet.
Both the Spratly and Sabah islands are territories claimed by thePhilippines. The basis of the dispute of the islands is due totheir proximity to other neighboring nations.
Because Philippines is the only Country near in Sabah and Spratly Island and also the Philippines has a Right to Claim it it is on the Exclusive Economic Zone of the Philippin…es. And also is is a res nullius( nobody's property ). and the Filipinos are the First who established resources there. DAMN YOU CHINESSE,MALAYSIAN and even TAIWANESSE and Idiots VIETNAMESSE. The YANKEES will ATTACK YOU ANYTIME they WANT!!!... ------------------------------------------ You want to know how STRONG are the Philippines claim on Sabah? Below are the answers:- Oh, SO FUNNY.... I CANNOT STOP LAUGHING..... So u wanna take Sabah away from Malaysia? Want Sabah be a part of Philippine? Then u guys must be prepare to go to war with us, Malaysians. We will not give away Sabah, not without a fight. U have to taste ur nose get bloodied very bad first before u ever think of getting Sabah out of Malaysia. So you want WAR with Malaysia? Oh wait... 1) Malaysia is the only country that successfully defeat the communist insurgent in the whole wide world. Malaysia & The Philippines communist insurgents problem started about the same time, but the Philippines until now cannot defeat the NPA communist, even after more than 40 years! If Philippne Army invade Sabah, the Malaysia Army will slaughter the Philippine Army just like we slaughter the communist decades ago. Now want to claim Sabah? Even the NPA, u guys cannot beat them, now what to take a fight with the Malaysia Army? What a shame... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Insurgency_War http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_People%27s_Army 2) Philippines Army are also facing insurgents group like MILF,MNLF & Abu Sayaf, & until now cannot even defeat one of them for decades now! Even the MILF u guys cannot beat, now want to fight the Malaysian Army? What a shame... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_insurgency_in_the_Philippines http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moro_Islamic_Liberation_Front http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Sayyaf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moro_National_Liberation_Front http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajah_Sulaiman_Movement 3) Philippine Army of 120,000 soldier cannot even defeat the 500-1000 Abu Sayaf fighter! Even 500 -1000 bandits also u guys cannot beat, now what to take away Sabah from Malaysia? What a shame.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_Forces_of_the_Philippines http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_Army http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_Air_Force http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_Navy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_Marine_Corps http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Sayyaf 4) Philippine Air Force don't have any operational jet fighter!!! Malaysia have 18 Mig-29, 8 F-18 & 18 Su-30, all are considered the latest & the most modern fighter aircraft in the world. All are equipped with Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missiles. Philippine Air force don't even have an operational aircraft & NO air to air missile (forget about Beyond Visual Missiles), now shamely want to claim Sabah? The Philippine Air Force will be slaughter by the Malaysia Air Force like peanuts! What a shame.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_Air_Force http://www.timawa.net/forum/index.php?topic=28998.0 http://www.timawa.net/forum/index.php?topic=29066.0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Malaysian_Air_Force http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_of_the_Royal_Malaysian_Air_Force http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-30 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_F/A-18_Hornet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan_MiG-29 5) Philippine Army don't have any Main Battle Tank. Malaysia have PT-91M Main Battle Tank. Maybe not the best in the world, but considered the best in this region. U guys don't even have an anti tank missile (ATM), now shamely want to claim Sabah? Our Malaysia PT-91M will roll over your soldiers away & blow away them to pieces easily. What a shame.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_Army http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PT-91_Twardy 6) Phillipine Navy have only 2nd hand World War 2 era ship that was build in 1943 as it's main capital ship. Donated by the Americans. Plus no surface to surface missile, only equipped with 76mm guns. Malaysia have tons of modern frigates, corvettes & Offshore Patrol ships, all equipped with the latest & modern electronic sensors & surface to surface missiles. It's going be a massacre if your navy want to pick a fight with our Navy. Now still want to claim Sabah? What a shame.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_Navy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRP_Rajah_Humabon_(PF-11) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Malaysian_Navy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorp%C3%A8ne_class_submarine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lekiu_class_frigate 7) Philippine Navy have no submarine. Malaysia have 2 Scorpene submarines & 1 Quessant submarines. The Scorpene submarine is considered as one of the best & quitest submarine in the world with torpedo & sub-surface to surface missiles. The sub-surface missile, SM-39, can be fired underwater to target surface warship 50km away & equipped with GPS, in case want to fire at ports. Actually, Malaysia bought 4 Scorpene but claim only 2. Your navy don't even have a decent capability for submarine warfare & don't even have any submarine, now want to fight with a navy who have the most modern diesel submarine fleet in the region? Your World War 2 era ships will be massacred easily by our modern submarines. What a shame.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_Navy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRP_Rajah_Humabon_(PF-11) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Malaysian_Navy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorp%C3%A8ne_class_submarine 8) Finally, why did u guys always BEGGING from the Americans, South Koreans, Thais, Singaporeans, Australians and China to give you guys FREE or CHEAP 2nd hand military hardware? Why do u guys need to BEG from them? Most of donated 2nd hand ships should be scrapped anyway, but because u guys keep BEGGING from them, they feel pity to this little child & give it away for FREE or CHEAP to u guys. Can u guys have dignity & buy those military hardware using your own money instead of BEGGING from other countries to supply it for u guys? And please, if u want to buy any military hardware, don't buy a 2nd hand one, buy a brand new ones. If u guys still buy 2nd hand military hardware instead of brand new ones, it just show how cheap & poor u are. U guys cannot even buy a brand new military hardware, always BEGGING from other countries for 2nd hand ones, now want to claim Sabah? What a shame... http://www.timawa.net/forum/index.php?topic=28683.0 http://bulatlat.com/main/2011/09/16/after-60-years-us-rp-defense-pact-proved-useless-disadvantageous-to-philippines/ http://bulatlat.com/main/2011/09/16/mdt-license-for-us-direct-intervention/ http://bulatlat.com/main/2011/09/02/benjie-oliveros-a-symbol-of-subservience-a-milestone-in-the-struggle-for-national-sovereignty/ http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90776/90883/7196633.html http://z3.invisionfree.com/Defense_Philippines/index.php?showtopic=4105 http://www.stopnato.net/?p=20827 http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/air-force-aviation/philippine-air-force-discussions-updates-11182-14/ There any many more I want to write, but I guess its enough for today. Your own mess inside your country also cannot handle, now want to take care of another new territory. In your dreams lah... Remember: Malaysia have BIGGER DICK (New, Large & Modern Military Hardware) than your SMALL DICK (2nd hand, small, donated & obsolete military hardware). So just shut up & be happy with your small dick. _________________________________________________________ Jeremiah 17:5 Thus says the Lord:"Cursed is the man who trusts in man And makes flesh his strength,Whose heart departs from the Lord. Jeremiah 17:7 "Blessed is the man who trusts in the Lord,And whose hope is the Lord.. This idiot depends on their latest whatever they have. Claiming victory over Philippines. You, Idiot must read the how the tiny state of Israel defeat her enemy. .
Up to present, Malaysia is still renting Sabah to Philippines. Yes, the Philippines can get it back because it legally belongs to the Sultanate of Sulu (Philippines). The Best… way for the Philippine government to claim it back is improve first its Economy. Make the Philippine economy more than enough to support and for the Sabahans and Sarawakans to be happy to go back and be united again with their Muslims brothers and Christian neighbours in Mindanao.
From his point of view, he had permission from the King, who was given authority by the Pope, to do exactly what he did. From the point of view of the Filipino people, of c…ourse he did not have the right to claim ownership of a country 10,000 miles away with its own languages and cultures.
emillio aguinaldo do you have more information about emelio aguinaldo that he is the first claimant of Sabah
the phllipines will get more land area and will own more resourses