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Totally agree Brett. A group of blokes from Mornington Salvos was duisisscng this difficulty/challenge of reaching non-churchy Aussie blokes just this morning at 7am breakfast.Ray, my best guess is that you would share the concern that Brett and I have raised here! Is the conference at Geelong intended as part of an initiative to have some ground-breaking investment in strategy, training, resources, etc.for authentic and effective ministry to men as we move forward??

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Q: Can you get your money back from a car dealer who sells you a car with a warranty that has already had transmission issues and continues to have them?
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