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Eight Trey Gangster Crips are not the same as Eight Trey Hoover Criminals Vermont Ave splits the two set the latter being ETH prides itself on separations from all things crip related and is a bonafide blood killer and crip killer set.

The Hoover Criminal Gang's were once Crips, the word "Hoover" comes from a blvd of the same name that runs through certain areas in South Central Los Angeles. The Hoover Criminals were first just known as Hoover Crips and Hoover Gangster Crips and originally were a main force behind the Gangster Crip (GC) sets but around 1979 the Gangster Crip sets (mainly the Eight Tray Gangster Crips) began feuding with the Rolling 60's that are part of the Neighborhood Crip (NHC) sets.

Hoovers are worn enemies of all NHC sets.

Around 1995 the Hoover Gangs decided to be a gang on its own because of their deadly feuds with many Crip sets. The Hoovers decided to keep the letter "C" but changed its meaning from "Crip" to "Criminal". The Hoover Gangster Crips and the Hoover Crips are said to be the only two of the Hoover Gangs not to have changed over to Criminals but the Hoover Criminals are still united with them til this very day and are considered to be the same gang.

The Eight Tray Hoovers (ETHC, 83st Hoover, H83VER, Tray Gang) holds the biggest gang turf in South Central (Eight Tray really means 83st which is a street that is in South Central Los Angeles) its gang turf is about five miles long. Other Hoover Gangs are the 74 Hoover (Seven Foe, 74Hoova, 74st Hoover, H74VER), Bay Bayz, Raskals, Everyday Hoover (ED Hoover), 24/7 Hoover, 92 Hoover, 94 Hoover, 52 Hoover, 59 Hoover, Hoover Crime Gang, West Side Hoover, Hoover Bloods (yes I typed Bloods), Hoover Locos (which is a click of the 18st gang in south central, the Hoover Locos was started because the Hoover Gangs and the South Central 18st Gang share gang turf, it is not really considered officially part of the Hoover Family but they keep it cool with each other

Hoover Crip (HCG, HGC) and the Neighborhood Crip (NHC) Wars are perhaps the oldest and most deadly Crip on Crip feuds that has lead many Crip gangs since then to kill eachother

Hoover Gangster Crips (HGC), Play Boy Gangster Crips (PBGC), Palm Oak Gangster Crips (POGC) and many others but please note that even though the Hoover Gangster Crips came from the "Gangster Crip Family tree, Hoovers are at war with some of the Gangster Crip sets....

The Hoover Gangs call any members of the Neighborhood Crip sets "Napp's (naps)" which is short for Nappy Heads.

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